davidk
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Post by davidk on Sept 11, 2014 11:31:53 GMT -6
Guess that settles my choice of optics, I have a 1x and a 3x9 with quick detach rings, so 1x it will be.
Looks like the other rule book allows telescopic sights, but limits to 6 shells payload. My cheap extension doesn't work well so I like 5 in the tube, 5 reliable is better than 8 maybe's. But don't care either way, I practiced reloading so might as well put it to work.
The other guy called this morning and now has to work Saturday so won't make it. One of his brothers recently got 2 glocks, so I'll work on him to get his own or just a holster so he can use one of them. Not sure if they'll fit in my extra one.
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jamesf
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Post by jamesf on Sept 11, 2014 11:55:57 GMT -6
I don't want to tread on your guy's discretion, you guys are in charge of safety and it's your range, your targets etc. But the 100yd thing might be limiting your stage design and I just wanted to make sure everyone is clear on what the safety rules are everywhere else. But both the USPSA (official) and IDPA (officially unofficial) rules specify around 50yd for rifle steel targets, not 100. IDPA: gunnuts.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/idpadmgrules.pdfRelevant bit: USPSA: www.uspsa.org/RifleShotgunMultigun%20Rules%201-1-2013final.pdfRelevant bit: 10.1.3 Minimum Distances – Minimum distances for any metal target are specific for that firearm type:
Min Distance Fault Line
— Handgun: 23 26 Feet
— Shotgun (bird & buckshot): 23 26
— Shotgun (slugs): 147 150
— Rifle: 147 150
All those distances are in feet, so 150 ft = 50yd obviously. 3GN's Pro Series rules are much shorter and less exhaustive than either USPSA or IDPA rulesets, but they used to have a rule about engaging a rifle target inside of 50yd as well: That has since been changed to say that you can only engage circular steel targets with the rifle (and square ones with pistol/shotgun.) I assume at that point it's the stage design that keeps you safe. Like I said, their ruleset is very short. Personally, I think 50yd is a safe minimum as long as people aren't shooting anything other than regular copper FMJ with lead core, and everyone including spectators is wearing eye pro even when they're behind the line. But it's totally up to you all... I'm just some dood with a ponytail and a red dot.
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Post by jstickell113 on Sept 11, 2014 15:12:59 GMT -6
Stage designer - me, states that on the rifle range steel targets will be a minimum 100 yds from the firing line. I realize there are many rules that can be gone off of for these matches. We are using our rules. I did look through the idpa rules today for multigun, they are much stricter on round count then we are and other things. I want everyone to know our main focus is on safety. Then having fun. We are very fortunate to have a wonderful prize table. Prizes will not be given for performance but for participating. I see it as you can't be too safe. I don't mean to offend anyone, I welcome ideas but if I'm designing the stage for the rifle range it will be 100 yds. I want everyone to come out and have a great time and go home with no extra holes. I will keep the 150 and over targets small in numbers. That being said, no cover garment will be required for this match. James, I don't mean to single you out. I believe you probably shoot these 3 guns alot more then myself, we are trying to build our 3 gun matches so I mean I do enjoy feed back good and bad. Sometime after this match is behind us I am going to make a couple polls on the forums. One for what was your thoughts on this shoot. Another asking what people want to see more of and less of next year.
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davidk
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Post by davidk on Sept 11, 2014 16:00:51 GMT -6
Was comparing the differences in the rules as well, only 10 rounds rifle loaded, guess for same reason we only load 10 in pistols so I understand that. Lower capacity forces reloads on the clock, but the designer can force tactical reloads or start almost empty to force a reload. Haven't practiced AR reloads but should.
The 18 round max rifle rounds/stage I'm ok with it, I guess they don't expect anyone to carry more than 1 spare mag and with the 10 round limit, leaves a few extra if you need to make up a couple shoots.
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Post by jstickell113 on Sept 11, 2014 16:53:25 GMT -6
Ya David there's a lot of variations. I think we will make it through just fine. We also don't do different classes. We will have a good shooters meeting before we start to go o en safety. Then we will walk through the stages so everyone knows what's going on.
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Post by jstickell113 on Sept 11, 2014 17:38:28 GMT -6
I saw a comment on a different 3 gun post and thought we should pass it along. If you have shotshell holders and rifle mag holders feel free to bring them. If not, don't worry about running out and spending a lot of money on them, pockets may not be as fast but work.
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davidk
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Post by davidk on Sept 11, 2014 20:48:39 GMT -6
It's going to be cool, so my coat pocket are going to do for shot shells, back pocket for AR mag.
Comes down to I'm not competeing again anyone but myself, I'll remember what I did good, where I messed up and what I can do better, a match is just a way to find out what I need to pratice, so I don't care how you carry your spare ammo how many shells you shotgun carries, or what optic you have on your rifle.
Matches are just great fun can't think of a better way to spend 3-4 hours on a Saturday or Sunday Morning.
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Post by ranger351w on Sept 12, 2014 4:34:57 GMT -6
I got all the bays mowed top and bottom. We can use all of them although a couple will be short range work but that is what self defense is about, BAD BREATH RANGE right?
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Post by jstickell113 on Sept 12, 2014 5:37:31 GMT -6
Thanks for getting them ready for us mike!
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jamesf
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Post by jamesf on Sept 12, 2014 8:03:06 GMT -6
I don't mean to offend anyone, I welcome ideas but if I'm designing the stage for the rifle range it will be 100 yds. (snip) James, I don't mean to single you out. Haha no way man, I was just worried that someone misunderstood the consensus on safe distances. If you want the extra safety margin there's nothing wrong with that. Also I have a feeling that I'm going to fail on the distance stuff! But it will still be fun to try.
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Post by jstickell113 on Sept 12, 2014 8:28:04 GMT -6
Good deal james. I need to get out more and see what some of the other clubs are doing. Also we are lucky enough to some friends let us use some of there steel so this should be a great shoot. I'm hoping to be out there fairly early setting up. I just received a email with 3 more people coming which puts us up to 13 or so definite coming. I'm guessing 30 - 40 will come. Everyone feel free to show up a little early so we don't have how ever many do show up all trying to register at once.
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Post by jstickell113 on Sept 12, 2014 8:30:04 GMT -6
Anyone who has not shot with us before please make sure to fill out a waiver before the match!
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jamesf
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Post by jamesf on Sept 12, 2014 16:07:13 GMT -6
I did look through the idpa rules today for multigun, they are much stricter on round count then we are and other things. You'll note that they haven't been updated for years - IDPA (HQ, not the shooters and clubs) has unfortunately shunned multigun after displaying initial interest with their provisional ruleset. Too bad, really. Then again, maybe not. 3-gun kinda goes against some of the core principals of IDPA anyway, and the really strict IDPA multigun matches kinda suck the fun out of the whole thing. You guys have something good going.
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Post by jstickell113 on Sept 12, 2014 19:42:49 GMT -6
I agree james. I don't think a match going off their rules would be as much fun. It is too bad that they can't embrace the idea that 3 gun exist and sometimes people want to shoot more then just pistol. It does not go with conceal carry, but depending on the scenarios it could be very realistic for real world experience. Someone mentioned they haven't practiced reloading, if this gets them to practice it some it is worth it. When I think of 3 gun matches I try to imagine living out in the country with no neighbors for miles. A group of people are trying to get into my house, I'm not using my pistol first.... it's hard to incorporate steel targets like a star and say it represents 5 heads poking out from behind barrels or whatnot but it's fun. I think if we get some people out who don't practice shooting much and are safe about it we made a difference.
I plan on being out there tomorrow by 8 at the latest. We should have most everything set up by 9. We will have a good shooters meeting once we think everyone is there, do walk through then get to shooting. I believe we are up to 20 people saying they are coming so we should have a great turn out.
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Post by jstickell113 on Sept 12, 2014 21:24:23 GMT -6
Just in case anyone is wondering we are full go for tomorrow. Went out tonight and checked out the bottom, it's wet here and there but nothing that should affect our stages. We have 4 great stages.
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